History meets food as Lynz and Brian dig into the many courses of this episode of The Flaky Foodie. A fascinating dive into historic Black cooks and chefs along with a conversation between host Jess and Chef Leon.
Then they dive into an episode featuring actor Mark Pellegrino (13 Reasons Why/Supernatural) and lawyer/activist Andrew Rossow join me to talk about their new endeavor to tackle cyberbullying The Guardian Project docuseries. This episode is a must-listen.
“The Guardian Project” deals with libel and slander, and the narratives it produces. These narratives ultimately go viral and destroy people’s reputations. Particularly impressive about “The Guardian Project” is that it protects victims and holds aggressors accountable. It seeks redress for victims and it seeks to provide victims with the ability to confront their aggressors.
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Brian: [00:00:00] Hey lens. What are you listening to? Brian?
Lynz: You share yours and
Brian: all share mine with millions of podcasts. How do you choose. We are
Lynz: here to help you find that next bingeable podcast
Brian: or that piece of content you’ll follow regularly. You’re listening to feed drops.
Lynz: I’ll write everybody. Welcome to feed drops. This is the show where Brian and I talk about two podcasts every week. And we wanna welcome you to this show. Brian,
Brian: That is Lynn Flon from growth network podcasts. I am Brian. I run CI radio here in Irvine, California, and you can find Lynn in the greater LA area.[00:01:00]
Lynz: Absolutely. And we put this show together every week now. We’ve been doing it for a few months and it’s really starting to feel like we’ve locked into a rhythm with it. And we love having to take submissions for shows and learn about new creators, people who are making cool new content on the internet.
That’s just a lot of fun. And so we’re glad to be able to share two shows with you every week. And Brian. What did you
Brian: bring this week? This week I brought a show that when I first saw the title, I’m like, okay, it’s a sports show, cuz I’m not much into sports. It is entitled the Sunday night army.
So I’m like, okay, this is on football recap show. Right wrong. It is not. And the episode I chose Is very, very cool. It’s discussing the guardian project with a, an actor and his name is escaping me right now, nor [00:02:00] is it in my notes. Last name Pellegrino. I believe it is. Mm-hmm. mark,
Lynz: go with mark Pellegrino.
Brian: You got it. And it’s about cyber bullying, which these days is becoming more and more of a big deal. I mean, I was a bully growing up without. And I could just imagine what kind of demon I would’ve been with the internet. I’m so glad we didn’t have cell phones when I was growing up.
Lynz: Oh yeah, no, it’s something we didn’t grow up.
There wasn’t the informal, like there, you didn’t know what to know about cyber bullying. There just wasn’t anything for us to learn. So there was no cyber, there was no cyber and just the old school. The, you. The
Brian: standard bully. Yeah, we pass a note flag pole three o’clock after school. Yeah, that was paper bullying.
Nice. I guess, Lynn, what do you have for us today? I
Lynz: have a show that I reached just slightly outside of my comfort zone on this one for the flaky foodie. And I’m not much of a foodie [00:03:00] myself, but I thought I wanna be excited by someone who is. You know, that sounds fun. And what I got was way more than that with this episode, because it was a part of a black history month collection.
And so we learn about some notable historical black chefs and an up and coming new one. So, really broaden my horizons. I’m excited to dig into it
Brian: later. And we’re gonna dive into Lindsay’s episode, the flaky foodie, right? I’m a lion right after a cut break.
And we’re back. You can’t even call that a stutter. it sound like a 57 Chevy trying to start.
Lynz: Okay. That’s out take that guy. Okay.
Brian: That’ll be a good
Lynz: TikTok. Welcome back everybody. We are talking about [00:04:00] the flaky foodie. And what I wanna say is that the host puts a lot of work into this show.
The host’s name is Jess, and the first half of the show, she’s talking about historical chefs. It seems like in this case, she talks about two historical enslaved black chefs. This was part of a black history month series of episodes. And. The details, if you’re at all interested in history, the details that come out in this are just wild.
And this was like a Gordon Ramsey type person who was enslaved, but was like a style icon and was a revered person when he walked through the markets. And this person’s name is Hercules. So the part about this episode, Where they talked about this historical thing really got me going.
And so I’m, let’s roll a clip. So you’ve got some context to join me. Now we
Brian: don’t know much about Hercules early life. Uh, you won’t find out who his parents are. You won’t find out how many siblings he have. [00:05:00] All that we know is that he was enslaved by president Washington. Back then he was general Washington’s neighbor, John Posey.
Now you might want to remember that name, cuz it’s definitely going to come back up. He was enslaved by John Posey, but John Posey could not pay his mortgage. And so as kind of payment for the loan, Washington sees some of his assets, regrettably that included enslaved people and Hercules was one of those enslaved persons was taken on as kind of a loan payment, uh, by.
George Washington, which also implies that Washington was John Poseys landlord, but the article didn’t get too much into that. That is very interesting.
Lynz: Right? I mean, it’s really weird part of a American history that was never in any kind of history books, but is very interesting. It turns out he went out, he made money selling table [00:06:00] scraps, which was a really common thing for chefs to do.
When they were high profile like that, cuz they weren’t necessarily being paid well, but they were revered in some sense for making the food that everybody wanted. Well
Brian: good on Hercules for heaven, a side hustle. Yeah.
Lynz: That guy had a side hustle and you know, he died Hercules pose. So if there’s some kind of you know, with his original slave master’s last name and there’s a lot more to that story.
I think anyone could enjoy it, but I think I’ve been on the clip for you. Do I tell you what it really inspires
Brian: me to cook is the fact that I’m able to almost immediate.
Lynz: So that was the bit about the early part about the chefs from history, but the next part of the episode is. Chef Leon, and he’s kind of an up and coming chef and he’s been putting together this new restaurant and his story was super inspiring and let’s roll the.
Tell you, what it really
Brian: inspires me to cook is the fact that I’m able to [00:07:00] connect with people IME almost immediately because I’m cooking. So the more that I cook, the more relatable I am to anybody and everybody. Right. And I feel like even if I went to Mexico and I were to talk to people in strangers, if I knew how to cook, or if I knew, you know, how to make tortillas from hand or if I knew how to, you know, create so, or, or, or that kind of thing, I now have friends because we’re in the kitchen together.
What motivates me honestly, is the fact that the more I learn, the more I can talk to people about cooking, whether it be smoking barbecue, um, fine dining, casual food, you know, everyone relates with food
Lynz: that is true. Everyone relates with food. What did that bring up for you, Brian?
Brian: You know, it reminds me, my buddy, once upon a time owned a fine dining restaurant and his chef was French classically.
And French and Thursday nights for a long while we called it protein night and we’d go to these local Asian market and we’d find [00:08:00] these crazy proteins and grab a couple cases of beer and we’d sit around the barbecue cooking craziness and drinking beer and just having a good time. But I mean, we had four people from very different walks of life, sitting around an open flame.
Drinking beer and needing food. And he’s absolutely correct. Food is common to everybody and it’s a great way to, tear down walls and get to know people.
Lynz: Yeah. I think I, I would think to say. Yeah, eating a meal with somebody, the sort of the preparing a meal with somebody has an even, sort of a deeper connection to it.
And I never, I probably hadn’t clocked that, but that was cool.
Brian: You know, last episode, you brought up the veggies and you talked about the fact you were vegetarian at the time. My daughter was vegetarian and I recall her being chased around the house with a goose head opening, its mouth yelling, Aflac at her, and she was a little grossed out.
She was 16 at the time. So, I mean,
Lynz: [00:09:00] that’s, that’s prime first, first consideration of vegetarian time for for
Brian: folks. Yeah. But no food does unite and you’re absolutely right standing side by side, cooking with somebody, breaks down more barriers and learning. I mean, anytime I had the opportunity to watch Lauren.
Anything, I would sit there and learn and, ask him questions and why spices in a certain order. And he would talk about how spices react and it’s just, it’s magic. Yeah.
Lynz: And it makes me think I’m not a foodie, right? Like I’m a pretty utilitarian eater. I don’t need things to be too complex.
I can kind of have a lot of the same meals over and over again. In a kind of a rotation. When I’m around people who are really good at food and who love food, I become more in love with food. Yeah. And more interested in it. And so that’s what this episode kind of did to me too, was it made me feel like, oh, I’m more interested in this [00:10:00] food.
I’m more interested in chef Leon. I wanna know about his story of starting out at working at a waffle house and then going up to starting his own restaurant. That’s something that’s really, it was really fun road
Brian: to go down. You know, it reminds me of an episode of and drew Bourdain.
Anthony Bourdain, Anthony Bourdain. Thank you. I knew Andrew wasn’t right. Bourdain, where he actually went to Mexico with one of his chefs. That’s been with him for, through a few restaurants and just that. Special moment of him side by side in the kitchen with his chef and his chef’s mother breaking bread and learning their traditional ways of cooking in that area of Mexico.
And it’s just, absolutely right. That reinforces what we just heard on this podcast. Yeah,
Lynz: That’s a great story. Anthony Bordain was definitely one of those people who really, I think he got a lot of [00:11:00] reactions outta people, really connected them to food and to being, I
Brian: dunno, really open to trying new things, travel.
Yeah. Pushing their boundaries. Yeah. I mean, he had quite the career so
Lynz: well, cool. I think We’ve heard a little bit about flaky foodie. We’re definitely excited for it to come out and adjust the drops feed. And what I’m really excited is after the break here, we’re gonna hear about Brian’s show and the Sunday night army.
We’re gonna hear a little bit more about that, so right after this break.
Brian: All right. Thanks for hanging in there with us. The Sunday night army. This episode has Mark Pellegrino. Who started in 13 reasons why and supernatural and a lawyer-activist, Andrew Rosso, who has started a really cool project called the guardian project to educate and deal with cyber bullying.
And not just that, [00:12:00] but actual legislation to hold aggressors accountable, which I think at some stages is needed. So we’re gonna dive into clip number one. Yeah, for
Lynz: me, it’s a personal experience, um, as well. And,
Brian: and, and it goes, it, it connects with Andrew’s more
Lynz: a personal message about mental health and concerns for mental
Brian: health in this, uh, bully culture and extends even to, uh,
Lynz: real, real, uh, life.
Um, Not that, not that mental health is it to real life, but, uh, damage, but objective
Brian: damages, measurable damages that occur as a result
Lynz: of, of these, uh, bully tactics for, for myself, I was to three separate waves. Of,
Brian: uh, online bullying as a check mark, you know, you’re, you’re sort of a large target and people think they can take pretty much any shot at you.
They choose and you’re in vulnerable. And that, that doesn’t only include just
Lynz: being, uh, hyper insulting. It
Brian: includes tagging influencers and [00:13:00] employers onto false narratives that they’re creating because they wanna hurt you. And then, and then, uh, bringing those, those
Lynz: people into, uh, bringing your employers into the possibility of deciding
Brian: whether or not to engage,
Lynz: uh, the false, uh, narratives or to just
Brian: drop you.
It’s crazy to hear somebody at that level, how bullying’s affected them in their lives. You know you don’t think of, nobody can hurt a celebrity with words, but, people. Our people, we all have feelings and, we’ve all read some pretty hurtful stuff on the internet. And it’s funny.
I do my best to take a step back and reflect on, I don’t know what this person was feeling when they wrote this. Is this true legitimate intent or were they hurt and lashing out? And not that that doesn’t. Remove the sting from the written word or spoken word or video, but
Lynz: Cause no one has that context, you know?
Right. I mean, [00:14:00] you’re you, everyone reads it with their own context. And I think so it’s like the, yeah the amount that can get lost in translation, it’s just staggering and, and there’s no sarcasm
Brian: font. Right. And on the flip side of that coin, I’ve read emails and I. The hell is this person’s problem.
And I’m like, wait a minute, I’m a little anxious or agro right now. I need to relax and get myself in a right frame of mind and you go back and read it. And you’re like, oh wow. I’m glad I didn’t respond right away. mm-hmm I was misreading. I was misinterpreting what I felt the true intent to be.
Lynz: Right. And so then when you see hateful or hurtful or malicious language, you’re like, okay, what’s the, is somebody masterminding something?
Or are they in pain? But then you’re still just cuz you read it you a little bit, believe it. Like you have to try it on. You don’t have to necessarily adopt it entirely, but you have to go, is this credible? Right. And you sort of do the first validation test on it.
Brian: Right. [00:15:00] So, let’s dive into number two here.
It’s become a popularity contest. It has evolved into a very lucrative market. Uh, and I say market specifically because there’s a lot of things that go on the people that should be protected with that system under what these platforms initially say, they set it up
Lynz: for. Are not protected. Um, and the people that
Brian: should not have that protection in the sense of, you know, what have they done to qualify as that public figure.
And you look at the background behind these people and there’s nothing there it’s a problem because it it’s a very cherry-picked system. And, you know, mark correct me if I’m wrong. Uh, everybody needs to have some sort of identity tied to the system. If they choose to go into Facebook or the social media
Lynz: ecosystem.[00:16:00]
Brian: It’s an interesting point. Back in the day when the internet was first a thing, you didn’t verify a phone number. There was no way to tie an account back to a human. And not that you can’t work around that these days, but you know, if you don’t have ill intention, when you’re creating an account, There’s a human that can be traced behind that account.
You’re creating. And I know on the blockchain right now, they’re working with, like one ID NFTs and things of that nature that’s tied to you, but will allow you to log into. Anything, any of your accounts that’s connected, which maybe will help with this issue, but,
Lynz: well, yeah, and I’m fairly certain, some, there are companies out there that are tracking us much more effectively than we can track ourselves.
Because they’ve got the dollars to do it. And maintaining complex profiles of humans really helps them make a lot of money. And so someone’s doing it out there, but we’re not granted the ability to leverage that for ourselves.
Brian: So we’re. It’s [00:17:00] not to get political, but anytime there’s some sort of big incident, like we’ve recently had a few of them, it seems that their social profiles are pulled down pretty much immediately.
And it’s like, I often wonder what was there that they don’t want there. And. I’ve obviously not wanted to know bad enough to submit a freedom of information act, you know, but it’s, it’s interesting how social profiles are looked at and, and revered and coveted as much as they are these days.
Lynz: Well, in some ways, you know, they’re, um, for a lot of people, they’re the proof of life, you know, and if you don’t have, if you don’t exist in those places, And you only exist at home to the rest of the world, do you even exist?
Yeah. You know, and, um, and I [00:18:00] think that’s, you know, the implications of that question are probably pretty messy,
Brian: but you know, one good thing. I know when Facebook allowed us to put people on time out or mm-hmm , we can still be friends with them, but we’re not following them. Therefore we’re not seeing their content.
I utilized it, you know, it’s like, okay, this guy’s a friend. However, I just don’t want to be associated with the type of content he’s putting on social platforms. Mm-hmm and, you know, I would block people and, and unfollow and, and, but I’m also pretty sterile with my personal accounts. I go through regularly and I call it sterilizing.
’em it’s. This name doesn’t even ring a bell. The picture doesn’t look familiar, unfollow, unsubscribe, unlike UN whatever. Um, and it’s like my personal accounts. It’s like, I want to be able to go, Hey, I should call this guy. We should go sit down and odds are, we would be able to sit down and break bread together, or, [00:19:00] you know, something along those lines.
That’s what my personal accounts are for now. Business accounts. Totally different story, different intent, different.
Lynz: Yeah. I definitely have some folks in there that I, I sort of added in a networking and in flurry of networking right. Where it’s like, I don’t know you, but I wanna know you and we’re, and I have to like your stuff to, you know, those kinds of things.
It can kind of go, uh, off the rails a little bit, but yeah, it’s, um, you know, just like digital behavior. Again is not, we don’t have generations of coded information to rely upon for digital behavior. Right. We do for other social behavior. So this is, we’re all just making it up as we
Brian: go. Well, and then on the flip side of that coin, how many people, again, in my opinion, have been unjustly put in Facebook jail for a little while, or, you know, it’s like, come on now that.
That wasn’t warranted in [00:20:00] my opinion. However, I don’t know their true intent. I’m just reading what was posted. And it’s like how sensitive are people these days? Well,
Lynz: and is, and the complaints aren’t treated with the same, aren’t put through the same rigor that the post was. And so the complaints can be done from a place.
Brian: Malice you, you know, what’s interesting. I read a book called like wars and it was in, in my recollection, it focused on Twitter quite a bit. And I read this years ago. Um, I believe Trump was in office and the weird thing was they really focused on how Al Qaeda. Was utilizing Twitter to raise funds to wage war [00:21:00] and how they just mastered social media for that.
And that there were videos and imagery of war of, you know, graphic deaths and things of that nature being allowed. But yet BN and Trump’s account was suspended and it’s. Well, I, I don’t understand their algorithm for making the decisions they make. And not that I’m not, I’m not siding with president Trump by no means.
Um, I’m calling him president Trump because he was, and he’s in my opinion, do that respect. Um, and he was quite comical. Um, I got a lot of laughs off some of the stuff he posted. Was some of it bullying. Yeah. He probably went too far, quite a bit of it, but again, these people are utilizing this two wage war against, you know, Western Europe and the United States of America and it’s okay.
They’re allowed, it [00:22:00] was a really interesting book. Mm. Um, one reason I read it is to learn how to utilize these tools better, not to wage war, but to. Improve my campaigns and improve my calls to action and improve on my social media
Lynz: game. Well, yeah. Imagine being able to use that sort of the strategies in service of something less nefarious.
Brian: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, totally interesting. It’s it’s an, it is truly an interesting war. Interesting war interesting world right now when it comes to social media. I mean,
Lynz: you’re, that was a good slip
Brian: as well. I think slip of the tongue, I remember, you know, getting the AOL discs in the mail, you know, they would just shove this, this web browser.
They were everywhere and newspapers and mailers, and having to put that disc in and load AOL back when we had legit phone modems, um, And it’s like the most you could [00:23:00] do was private chat, instant messages, and the message groups and forums kind of came online. And
Lynz: I mean, could you picture, if somebody just like time traveled into your sort of, I mean, 1994.
Uh, maybe 95 ish space and just showed you an iPhone. Oh my goodness. And was like here and they opened an app where they were doing anything we do now. Right. Like even just like the Craigslist app would blow their mind, you know, Wikipedia,
Brian: Wikipedia would Google. I mean, yeah.
Lynz: Like you’re likely this is your first experience of the internet.
You’ve heard, you know, I
Brian: dunno. Anyway. I mean, there are people who don’t know Google earth who have been a separate. And now it’s part of maps. It’s just, it’s amazing how powerful our devices are and how connected we can be. And it’s sad that some people use it to spread hate and discontent.
Lynz: Yes, but it is happy.
That people use it [00:24:00] to
Brian: spread podcasts. And it is happy that there are organizations like this, the guardian project who I checked before the recording of this episode, their project’s been fully funded on a crowdsourcing campaign. And we expect to see good things coming out of this project. And one of their missions is to allow those being bullied, to confront their bullies, which I think may be interesting.
Lynz: Well, yeah, it certainly allows for some kind of processing, you know, I can’t, uh, it’s gonna, you’re gonna feel something one way or
Brian: another. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s it from the Sunday night army. Um, I hope you enjoyed this episode. Hope you’ve been intrigued enough to check out the full drops of these. They will be release.
Wednesday and Thursday of this week on just the drops it’s its own [00:25:00] podcast. And if you’d like everything in one place, you can check out subs stack. We have a feed drops newsletter where we are going to be growing that out a little more right now. It’s these episodes and just the feeds episodes.
Lynz: Yeah.
Well, definitely interact with us on social media and you know, we’re in all the places and our DM’s are open and. Submit your show, through our website. And I mean, if I could add three more calls to action, I would, but I feel like you probably know what to do at this point because you’ve been listening, and, uh, we really appreciate you for hanging out and we hope you’ll hang out again.
Another episode,
Brian: we’ll see you next week.
